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Some recent examples of requests for help from members of the public.

Quart Mug Marks

Enquiry

 

I bought this quart pot at an auction online. I would like to know if the date 1888 with VR and a crown means the pot was made in 1888.  The dates on the other side (1906 thru'1910) are presumably verification marks at subsequent inspections. Also, what is the significance of the number 64 after VR, ER  and GR and the number 7/30 after GR64?

Many thanks in anticipation for any help you can give me.

Best regards

Quart mug with more verification marks

Answer from the enquiry team

Many thanks for your email to the Pewter Society of Great Britain for which I have attached a reply I hope will be of interest.

 

This appears to be a straight sided British quart mug with copious Excise marks including two; “crown VR 64” and “crown ER 64” struck by the authorities in Sunderland both after 1878 when that numerical style was introduced but with the dates others were struck surrounding them.  The number “1800” above ‘Crown ER 64” seems too early however. 

 

The date “1888” is just another excise mark struck that year but if you look in the inside of the base you may find the makers mark (k/as a touch mark) amid all the oxide and crud which accumulates there over time.  Gently probing with a soft piece of wood such as a lolly stick so as not to damage any writing that may be there may help and if this is successful do not hesitate to come back for further information.

 

Any information supplied represents an opinion based on the original information and/or images provided and whilst we believe that the information below to be sound, we cannot guarantee this as we have not inspected the item, and our knowledge of pewter and pewterers is constantly being updated by new research   It is for the sole use of the owner of the item(s) in question to advance his/her knowledge/and under the terms of the offer displayed on the Pewter Society website and any information given cannot be used in connection with the sale or offer for sale of any item about which the information is solicited. It is expressly forbidden for any mention of the Pewter Society or any of its named members to be used in connection with any such sale or offer for sale or in descriptive text. Please note we reserve the right to use your enquiry anonymously in our recent enquires section on the website

Half Pint Measure

ENQUIRY

Interesting item sent in from a Local Aid Charity

Half Pint Measure Full

Answer from the enquiry team

This is a half pint measure of unusual shape and features with a truncated cone shaped body and plain “C” strap handle but an impressive brass oval disc on the front giving the capacity and a Wolverhampton “65” numerical Excise Mark first used  after 1878 but from the letters “Crown GR” after 1910 in the reign of George V.

 

The Society does not give valuations but if you take the item to an auctioneer dealing in antiques, and ideally one specialising in pewter such as Charles Hanson of Etwall, Derbyshire, they will state a price at which they would offer it for sale for free in the hopes that you leave it with them  but I must add that I have never seen such a measure before and it should have some rarity value.

Any information supplied represents an opinion based on the original information and/or images provided and whilst we believe that the information below to be sound, we cannot guarantee this as we have not inspected the item, and our knowledge of pewter and pewterers is constantly being updated by new research   It is for the sole use of the owner of the item(s) in question to advance his/her knowledge/and under the terms of the offer displayed on the Pewter Society website and any information given cannot be used in connection with the sale or offer for sale of any item about which the information is solicited. It is expressly forbidden for any mention of the Pewter Society or any of its named members to be used in connection with any such sale or offer for sale or in descriptive text. Please note we reserve the right to use your enquiry anonymously in our recent enquires section on the website

 

 

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Gaydon Church Bowl

Enquiry

Dear Sir

I would be grateful if you would look at the enclosed photographs and give me an opinion on the likely date of this pewter  bowl. For your information it was found amongst the spoil and mud dredged up from a lake near to Gaydon, a village in Warwickshire, whose property it now is. I have heard a suggestion that it might be a baptism bowl, part of equipment used by priests to baptise very young children near to death. The diameter of the bowl is one foot.The height just over 3 inches. Any information would be much appreciated.

Gaydon Church Bowl Front

Answer from the enquiry team

 

This is a cast pewter plain dish/bowl with no apparent pewterers touch mark on the reverse but struck with the donors ungrammatical statement possibly as a useful collection plate or possibly a font liner for use in the local Church in Gaydon.   It has therefore not been possible to date it accurately but most possibly mid eighteenth century or even earlier. 

Any information supplied represents an opinion based on the original information and/or images provided and whilst we believe that the information below to be sound, we cannot guarantee this as we have not inspected the item, and our knowledge of pewter and pewterers is constantly being updated by new research   It is for the sole use of the owner of the item(s) in question to advance his/her knowledge/and under the terms of the offer displayed on the Pewter Society website and any information given cannot be used in connection with the sale or offer for sale of any item about which the information is solicited. It is expressly forbidden for any mention of the Pewter Society or any of its named members to be used in connection with any such sale or offer for sale or in descriptive text. Please note we reserve the right to use your enquiry anonymously in our recent enquires section on the website

 

French Chrismatory

ENQUIRY

 

 

Hello. I have been living in France, and on a Sunday market I found this item in pewter. My research on the Internet has not been very successful. It would give me great pleasure if you could give me some information (date and what it is) on the item. It's 125 mm x 80 mm. 

 

French makers marks

Answer from the enquiry team

 

Thanks for your enquiry 6 June about your find in France.

You have what the French call a Coffret a Trois Burettes which is used by the priest to administer the three Holy Oils which are the Oil of Baptism, the Oil of Chrism and the Oil for the Sick and Dying (extreme unction). It looks to be complete and in good condition apart from the loss of the finial on the cover, often a Cross.

It was made by L Charasse who became a master pewterer in Paris in 1717, so it is an early piece.

 

Chrismatory open showing the burettes

Any information supplied represents an opinion based on the original information and/or images provided and whilst we believe that the information below to be sound, we cannot guarantee this as we have not inspected the item, and our knowledge of pewter and pewterers is constantly being updated by new research   It is for the sole use of the owner of the item(s) in question to advance his/her knowledge/and under the terms of the offer displayed on the Pewter Society website and any information given cannot be used in connection with the sale or offer for sale of any item about which the information is solicited. It is expressly forbidden for any mention of the Pewter Society or any of its named members to be used in connection with any such sale or offer for sale or in descriptive text. Please note we reserve the right to use your enquiry anonymously in our recent enquires section on the website

Quart Bulbous Measure

ENQUIRY

 

Hi,

My query is about a quart baluster verified as VR 409 which I believe to be Gloucester County and I bought it from Pershore, which is nearby. The touch mark appears to be 3 pears which I believe to be Henry Brettell of London but I cannot find an image of the three pears with the writing around it (see photo - my quart) any ideas?

Thanking you,

Quart Measure verification marks

Answer from the enquiry team

The Quart.  This is quite an early measure as it has the word “Imperial” on the rim which started in 1826 when that was introduced and the border surrounding the print is also early. There is another early verification mark upside-down by the number “2” which I haven’t traced, indeed may not be recorded.  Verified for correct capacity also in Gloucester County by the “VR 409” numerical Excise Mark which came into use first much later in 1878 so it’s been around for some time.   These were struck to ensure the publican was not giving short measure.  The large ‘ball’ terminating the handle is also a sign of an early item.    But the neat shield with the cross and the two dots on that handle is not the touch mark but an interesting ownership mark, possibly by the public house for which it was being used.  Made perhaps around 1830-1850 whereas Henry Brettell was a pewterer from 1665-1683. An interesting example which you may find detailed in our web site in due course.

 

If you look in the inside of the base you may find the makers mark (k/as a touch mark) amid all the oxide and crud which accumulates there over time.  Gently probing with a soft piece of wood such as a lolly stick so as not to damage any writing that may be there may help and if this is successful do not hesitate to come back for further information. But many bulbous measures such as this have no mark. 

 

Quart measure mark on handle

Any information supplied represents an opinion based on the original information and/or images provided and whilst we believe that the information below to be sound, we cannot guarantee this as we have not inspected the item, and our knowledge of pewter and pewterers is constantly being updated by new research   It is for the sole use of the owner of the item(s) in question to advance his/her knowledge/and under the terms of the offer displayed on the Pewter Society website and any information given cannot be used in connection with the sale or offer for sale of any item about which the information is solicited. It is expressly forbidden for any mention of the Pewter Society or any of its named members to be used in connection with any such sale or offer for sale or in descriptive text. Please note we reserve the right to use your enquiry anonymously in our recent enquires section on the website