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Some recent examples of requests for help from members of the public.

Half Pint Tulip Mug

Enquiry

 

Dear Sir or Madam

 I am contacting you in regard to a piece of pewter that I have and would like help identifying the marks. 

 I believe it to be a rummer and all I know is that my grandfather purchased it many years ago in Brighton. It is 90mms high and about 65mms diameter.

 There are some photos attached in this and an additional email.

 I do hope that you are able to help.

 Many thanks

Mug Verification Mark

Answer from the enquiry team

This is a fine old cast pewter footed ‘tulip’ shaped pub half pint which has travelled considerably, mainly around Norfolk, possibly with the same publican over many years evidenced by the rich ‘harvest’ of Excise Marks struck around its mid-rift.    It has a decorative  fillet around that mid-rift and a double scroll or ‘broken’ handle.

 

The ‘portcullis’ however was struck by the authorities in the County of London before 1878 when confirming that it was not giving short measure at all.    The “crown VR over 550”  was struck in the County of Norfolk after 1878. But the most interesting is the one unusually struck under the base which may be clearer to you but looks like either “Crown over W4W” or “WWW” ( approx.) for which the most likely interpretation is Watchet Boro. & Williton Manor or even possibly Westmorland County  -   before 1878.      

 If you look in the inside of the base you may find the makers mark (k/as a touch mark) amid all the oxide and crud which accumulates there over time. This could possibly help dating the mug more accurately.   Gently probing with a soft piece of wood such as a lolly stick so as not to damage any writing that may be there may help and if this is successful do not hesitate to come back for further information. Otherwise there may be just a “Crown X” quality mark.

The assessment below is based on the best information available to us at present, but we cannot guarantee its accuracy as we have not inspected the item, and our knowledge of pewter and pewterers is constantly expanding.  It is for your personal information only and any information given cannot be used in connection with the sale or offer for sale of any item about which the information is solicited.

Whilst our service is free, the database we used to answer your query costs us thousands of pounds a year to run.  If you would like to make a small donation towards this cost (preferably in pounds sterling), you can do so via PayPal to treasurer@pewtersociety.org.  We'll be very grateful!

We were pleased to receive your enquiry.  We welcome new members and if you would like to join our Society, full details can be found on our website: www.pewtersociety.org .  We post some enquiries anonymously in the "recent enquires" section of our website, and we hope you won't mind if we select yours for this.

Pint Tankard

ENQUIRY

 

Hello!

 

Thanks so much for being a source of information on pewter! I haven't much knowledge of old pewter and wondered if the tankard I'm sending photos of is old or a newer production. I am attaching photos. It measures 4 1/8" tall, 3 3/4" wide at the base, and 3 3/8" across the top. 

Thanks in advance for your help!

Casting Lines inside Pint Tankard

Answer from the enquiry team

This at first sight appears to be a perfectly authentic straight sided one hundred and twenty year old British cast pewter pint public house drinking mug complete with faint Excise Marks and an inscription on the front.  But the overall grained appearance of the whole surface and the view inside the mug showing a split construction indicates that it has been very recently and cleverly cast in two halves from just such an original.  

Marks on Pint Tankard

The assessment below is based on the best information available to us at present, but we cannot guarantee its accuracy as we have not inspected the item, and our knowledge of pewter and pewterers is constantly expanding.  It is for your personal information only and any information given cannot be used in connection with the sale or offer for sale of any item about which the information is solicited.

Whilst our service is free, the database we used to answer your query costs us thousands of pounds a year to run.  If you would like to make a small donation towards this cost (preferably in pounds sterling), you can do so via PayPal to treasurer@pewtersociety.org.  We'll be very grateful!

We were pleased to receive your enquiry.  We welcome new members and if you would like to join our Society, full details can be found on our website: www.pewtersociety.org .  We post some enquiries anonymously in the "recent enquires" section of our website, and we hope you won't mind if we select yours for this.

Cast measure

Enquiry

Good Afternoon,

My wife’s parents recently passed away and they collected some antique pewter items. We were told they may even be from the revolutionary war time frame. 

Would you be able to tell us what this object is and what all the markings mean?  This is very foreign to us and have no idea what all the symbols and marking mean. 

 We have attached several pictures so you can see what the symbols are. 

 We greatly appreciate any information you can share. 

ER over 54 mark

Answer from the enquiry team

This is an Irish cast pewter baluster measure with various Excise Marks struck by the authorities when verifying the capacity to ensure the Irish publican was not giving short measure in the spirits he sold using it.   Some are unidentified but ‘ER over 54’ was struck in Chester County between 1901 -1910 and  (VG 5 over 103?) if correct, in the County of Lancashire in late Victorian times ie., 1878- 1901.    

 

 

VR Verification Mark

The assessment above/below is based on the best information available to us at present, but we cannot guarantee its accuracy as we have not inspected the item, and our knowledge of pewter and pewterers is constantly expanding.  It is for your personal information only and any information given cannot be used in connection with the sale or offer for sale of any item about which the information is solicited.

 Whilst our service is free, the database we used to answer your query costs us thousands of pounds a year to run.  If you would like to make a small donation towards this cost (preferably in pounds sterling), you can do so via PayPal to treasurer@pewtersociety.org.  We'll be very grateful!

We were pleased to receive your enquiry.  We welcome new members and if you would like to join our Society, full details can be found on our website: www.pewtersociety.org .  We post some enquiries anonymously in the "recent enquires" section of our website, and we hope you won't mind if we select yours for this.

Shaw and Fisher Teapot

ENQUIRY

 

 

Dear Sirs/Ladies

We have a Shaw and Fisher teapot on a stand with burner. The markings are a character looking like "i" or "1" followed by 595,the text Shaw & Fisher Suffolk Sheffield in an oval and below an 8 and 27. Does anybody have an idea of the age of this teapot?

There is also a sugar (?) bowl that seems to belong to it. The metal is tin/pewter.

Many thanks in advance,

Shaw and Fisher early mark

Answer from the enquiry team

 

This is a  fine Britannia Metal teapot on its stand with an oil burner beneath,, apparently in good condition, made by the prolific pewterers Shaw and Fisher of 43, Suffolk Road, Sheffield, Yorkshire, Great Britain who were active from 1830-1894.  This was probably made in their earlier period after 1840 when the white calorific insulators on the handle had first been invented so before 1850 when they started using a slightly different style of oval touch mark.  Britannia Metal is pewter by definition but contains no lead in the alloy and had also been fairly newly discovered. The alloy can be formed much thinner than cast pewter and can withstand higher temperatures that pewter itself thus most suitable for this particular purpose.  I am not sure of the meaning of the numbers ‘8’ & ‘27’, possibly pattern numbers of this item or the workman who made its code but the ‘2’ denotes its capacity of two half pints ie., a pint !  A delightful classically shaped item.

The assessment below is based on the best information available to us at present, but we cannot guarantee its accuracy as we have not inspected the item, and our knowledge of pewter and pewterers is constantly expanding.  It is for your personal information only and any information given cannot be used in connection with the sale or offer for sale of any item about which the information is solicited.

Whilst our service is free, the database we used to answer your query costs us thousands of pounds a year to run.  If you would like to make a small donation towards this cost (preferably in pounds sterling), you can do so via PayPal to treasurer@pewtersociety.org.  We'll be very grateful!

We were pleased to receive your enquiry.  We welcome new members and if you would like to join our Society, full details can be found on our website: www.pewtersociety.org .  We post some enquiries anonymously in the "recent enquires" section of our website, and we hope you won't mind if we select yours for this.

Oval Plate

ENQUIRY

 

Hi,

     

I think this is pewter although it has been repaired many times. Any info or help about how old it is, it is marked London so that part of the puzzle is solved. 

Thank you for any help.

Marks on the plate

Answer from the enquiry team

 

This is a sturdy plain rimmed cast pewter oval dish bearing the ‘hallmarks’ of John Ingram of various addresses around Bewdley, Staffs who was active 1755-1799.  The four marks are 1) three griffins heads per chevron; 2) Fess shell; 3) Animals head lion and the missing one would have had the initials J.I. The ‘London’ label was used by many Provincial pewterers as possibly that was the source of the raw material as London was renowned for the best metal. 

 

We are pleased to have received your enquiry.  We welcome new members and if you think in the future that you would like to join our Society, full details can be found on our website:

The assessment below is based on the best information available to us at present, but we cannot guarantee its accuracy as we have not inspected the item, and our knowledge of pewter and pewterers is constantly expanding.  It is for your personal information only and any information given cannot be used in connection with the sale or offer for sale of any item about which the information is solicited.

Whilst our service is free, the database we used to answer your query costs us thousands of pounds a year to run.  If you would like to make a small donation towards this cost (preferably in pounds sterling), you can do so via PayPal to treasurer@pewtersociety.org.  We'll be very grateful!

We were pleased to receive your enquiry.  We welcome new members and if you would like to join our Society, full details can be found on our website: www.pewtersociety.org .  We post some enquiries anonymously in the "recent enquires" section of our website, and we hope you won't mind if we select yours for this.

Miniature Plate

ENQUIRY

I have recently purchased this miniature pewter plate advertised as being 18th century. I'm new to antique collecting and probably very gullible so I wanted a second opinion on the age and origin. It is unmarked and plain so its difficult to find any information online. I am located in the US and I bought it on Ebay in an auction for $22. It is 8.2cm/3.25inch in diameter, and it weighs 59 grams. Thanks for any insight you can provide. 

Miniature Plate Rear

Answer from the enquiry team

Such saucer sized single rimmed cast pewter dishes were usually made around the turn of the twentieth century and sold when the interest in old pewter wares first started to be popular to fulfil a need. This, however, appears to have accumulated signs of genuine wear from the knife marks on the working surface and the back and possibly made earlier in the eighteenth or nineteenth century by an unknown pewterer.

The assessment below is based on the best information available to us at present, but we cannot guarantee its accuracy as we have not inspected the item, and our knowledge of pewter and pewterers is constantly expanding.  It is for your personal information only and any information given cannot be used in connection with the sale or offer for sale of any item about which the information is solicited.

Whilst our service is free, the database we used to answer your query costs us thousands of pounds a year to run.  If you would like to make a small donation towards this cost (preferably in pounds sterling), you can do so via PayPal to treasurer@pewtersociety.org.  We'll be very grateful!

We were pleased to receive your enquiry.  We welcome new members and if you would like to join our Society, full details can be found on our website: www.pewtersociety.org .  We post some enquiries anonymously in the "recent enquires" section of our website, and we hope you won't mind if we select yours for this.

Richardson Teapot?

ENQUIRY

 

Hi! The story of this pewter pot is that it was passed down from eldest daughter to eldest daughter (though that was not always the case), coming over to Massachusetts on the Mayflower with Richard Warren. I would love to have some sense of the date of this pot to see if there is any accuracy to this story. I currently live in Medford, OR, but my grandmother received this from her father (his mother died in childbirth) in French Lick, IN. Her father was John Southern Taylor, his mother Mary Clementine Southern, her mother Mary Clorinda Pierce, her father George Ricks Pierce, his mother Mary Spooner, her father Benjamin S Spooner, his father Benjamin Spooner, his mother Sarah Warren, her father Nathaniel Warren, back to his father Richard Warren, who was written to have been born around 1579 in London, England. The pot is about 6 in tall and about 7.5 in. from handle edge to spout. I don’t see any markings on it. Thank you for any help you can give me in estimating age and location of origin.

Teapot Lid

Answer from the enquiry team

 

This is, indeed, an early Britannia Metal teapot made by an unknown pewterer. Britannia Metal is pewter by definition but contains no lead in the alloy and first evolved in the latter part of the eighteenth century. B.M. can be formed into much sheets thinner than cast pewter as the lid of this pot demonstrates around the hinge etc.,  The first pewter teapot was made in the USA by a pewterer called George Richardson after 1818 and this is very much in the same shape indeed and might be one of his. The style of the handle is very similar.  But sadly not made before the Pilgrim Fathers !

The assessment below is based on the best information available to us at present, but we cannot guarantee its accuracy as we have not inspected the item, and our knowledge of pewter and pewterers is constantly expanding.  It is for your personal information only and any information given cannot be used in connection with the sale or offer for sale of any item about which the information is solicited.

Whilst our service is free, the database we used to answer your query costs us thousands of pounds a year to run.  If you would like to make a small donation towards this cost (preferably in pounds sterling), you can do so via PayPal to treasurer@pewtersociety.org.  We'll be very grateful!

We were pleased to receive your enquiry.  We welcome new members and if you would like to join our Society, full details can be found on our website: www.pewtersociety.org .  We post some enquiries anonymously in the "recent enquires" section of our website, and we hope you won't mind if we select yours for this.